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Posted 12/21/2018 9:08 AM (#760500)
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So it now seems that a little fun can not even be had here on CG. I little razzing to get a point across and the thread is shut down. We are all adults here and should have thick enough skin to take a little $hit but it seems our admins think we must keep CG politically correct also so people don't get butt hurt from a little razzing. For the love of god can't there be one place where we can still be ourselves and have some fun. Nobody is being malicious, just having a little fun but apparently the Fun Police won't allow that either. It is no wonder that at times we end up with days and days of threads on the front page with no activity. For gods sake people grow a set. This site WAS one of the places I frequented for a good laugh and good conversation but it looks like that is soon to be a thing of the past also.
Really Sad because a lot of my absolute best friendships have begun right here on Cigar Geeks.

Rant Over

Merry Christmas to all!!!

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Posted 12/21/2018 9:22 AM (#760502 - in reply to #760500)
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Posted 12/21/2018 9:23 AM (#760503 - in reply to #760500)
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I blame Don. He takes a hiatus from the forums and then on his first day back, all hell breaks loose!

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Posted 12/21/2018 9:24 AM (#760504 - in reply to #760500)
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Posted 12/21/2018 9:28 AM (#760506 - in reply to #760500)
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Stessl, do your critique...
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Posted 12/21/2018 9:31 AM (#760507 - in reply to #760506)
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 OMG I just can't take this pressure... Where's my safe space?!?

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Posted 12/21/2018 9:43 AM (#760508 - in reply to #760500)
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Somebody call the Whaambulance. Poor lil tuck was getting dogpiled by a bunch of meanies, he needed rescuing.
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Posted 12/21/2018 9:51 AM (#760510 - in reply to #760500)
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Posted 12/21/2018 9:53 AM (#760511 - in reply to #760510)
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What did i miss?




My thoughts exactly.
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Posted 12/21/2018 9:54 AM (#760512 - in reply to #760500)
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Posted 12/21/2018 10:08 AM (#760513 - in reply to #760512)
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Don't worry! I put in a call to our local Congresswoman to help you.




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Posted 12/21/2018 10:08 AM (#760514 - in reply to #760511)
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My thoughts exactly.

 The thread that's locked about cigar reviews

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Posted 12/21/2018 10:26 AM (#760517 - in reply to #760513)
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Posted 12/21/2018 10:32 AM (#760518 - in reply to #760503)
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I blame Don. He takes a hiatus from the forums and then on his first day back, all hell breaks loose!



I make a little appearance after several months away, and you blame me?

What kind of reception is that Bruce?


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Posted 12/21/2018 10:33 AM (#760519 - in reply to #760500)
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Posted 12/21/2018 10:34 AM (#760521 - in reply to #760500)
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05Venturer - 12/21/2018 1:08 PM

So it now seems that a little fun can not even be had here on CG. I little razzing to get a point across and the thread is shut down. We are all adults here and should have thick enough skin to take a little $hit but it seems our admins think we must keep CG politically correct also so people don't get butt hurt from a little razzing. For the love of god can't there be one place where we can still be ourselves and have some fun. Nobody it being malicious, just having a little fun but apparently the Fun Police won't allow that either. It is no wonder that at times we end up with days and days of threads on the front page with no activity. For gods sake people grow a set. This site WAS on the places I frequented for a good laugh and good conversation but it looks like that is soon to be a thing of the past also.
Really Sad because a lot of my absolute best friendships have begun right here on Cigar Geeks.

Rant Over

Merry Christmas to all!!!


Concur.

How many times you have to edit that post Kent?

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Posted 12/21/2018 10:40 AM (#760522 - in reply to #760521)
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05Venturer - 12/21/2018 1:08 PM

So it now seems that a little fun can not even be had here on CG. I little razzing to get a point across and the thread is shut down. We are all adults here and should have thick enough skin to take a little $hit but it seems our admins think we must keep CG politically correct also so people don't get butt hurt from a little razzing. For the love of god can't there be one place where we can still be ourselves and have some fun. Nobody it being malicious, just having a little fun but apparently the Fun Police won't allow that either. It is no wonder that at times we end up with days and days of threads on the front page with no activity. For gods sake people grow a set. This site WAS on the places I frequented for a good laugh and good conversation but it looks like that is soon to be a thing of the past also.
Really Sad because a lot of my absolute best friendships have begun right here on Cigar Geeks.

Rant Over

Merry Christmas to all!!!


Concur.

How many times you have to edit that post Kent?



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Posted 12/21/2018 11:13 AM (#760525 - in reply to #760500)
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Posted 12/21/2018 11:53 AM (#760530 - in reply to #760500)
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Posted 12/21/2018 11:59 AM (#760531 - in reply to #760530)
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One word, goatse




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Posted 12/21/2018 12:34 PM (#760532 - in reply to #760500)
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Posted 12/21/2018 1:01 PM (#760534 - in reply to #760532)
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Posted 12/21/2018 1:25 PM (#760535 - in reply to #760500)
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Posted 12/21/2018 2:14 PM (#760538 - in reply to #760500)
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Posted 12/21/2018 4:59 PM (#760548 - in reply to #760500)
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yeah that one didn't get that far gone. i think that was a case of "premature lock down" i've seen thread go down the drain and into the sewer and nothin....
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Posted 12/21/2018 5:08 PM (#760549 - in reply to #760513)
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Posted 12/21/2018 5:09 PM (#760550 - in reply to #760548)
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toby2 - 12/21/2018 5:59 PM

yeah that one didn't get that far gone. i think that was a case of "premature lock down" i've seen thread go down the drain and into the sewer and nothin....


It was premature something . . .

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Posted 12/21/2018 5:23 PM (#760552 - in reply to #760548)
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yeah that one didn't get that far gone. i think that was a case of "premature lock down" i've seen thread go down the drain and into the sewer and nothin....


Has to be a CG record, it only took 23 posts to get the thread frozen.

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Posted 12/21/2018 7:13 PM (#760554 - in reply to #760530)
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Agreed............  

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Posted 12/22/2018 7:18 AM (#760571 - in reply to #760552)
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yeah that one didn't get that far gone. i think that was a case of "premature lock down" i've seen thread go down the drain and into the sewer and nothin....


Has to be a CG record, it only took 23 posts to get the thread frozen.



How far off are we here?

Quick, someone do something slightly objectionable...
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Posted 12/22/2018 9:01 AM (#760575 - in reply to #760571)
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yeah that one didn't get that far gone. i think that was a case of "premature lock down" i've seen thread go down the drain and into the sewer and nothin....


Has to be a CG record, it only took 23 posts to get the thread frozen.



How far off are we here?

Quick, someone do something slightly objectionable...




It appears that isn't very hard to do

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Posted 12/23/2018 9:54 AM (#760608 - in reply to #760508)
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Kid Montana - 12/21/2018 7:43 AM

Somebody call the Whaambulance. Poor lil tuck was getting dogpiled by a bunch of meanies, he needed rescuing.


Hardly. From my angle, the "meanies" were dogpiling themselves and looking pretty silly in the process. But it was all in the name of "professionalism", of course...
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Posted 12/23/2018 1:47 PM (#760611 - in reply to #760500)
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Tuck, the bottom line here is that you shouldn't turn a review into a watered down story. Try to keep to pertinent information to the cigar itself.
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Posted 12/23/2018 2:04 PM (#760612 - in reply to #760611)
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bstessl - 12/23/2018 11:47 AM

Tuck, the bottom line here is that you shouldn't turn a review into a watered down story. Try to keep to pertinent information to the cigar itself.


Says who? My reviewing style is my own. Everyone has their own style and who is any one person to say what's correct and what isn't? You wouldn't like it if I critiqued your style and tried to tell you the right and wrong way to do it. So, don't try and do that to me, please and thanks.

Crimeny, this place is a bit more geeky than I had first thought....
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Posted 12/23/2018 2:11 PM (#760613 - in reply to #760611)
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Heres my take.If you want to tell a story about smoking a stick ,I'm fine with that as long as you include details about the stick like wrapper,burn smoking time,smoke out put,taste you get,etc.it makes for a good story.When I read a review and it includes nothing like this its a waste of time.Sometimes the story for me makes a more interesting read,if its a good story I can picture myslf there.If you enjoy smoking the last half of the stick the next day,well"power to you brother"I know I'm not doing it,not my thing.This is your choice.Anyways that is my take on the review thing.

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Heres my take.If you want to tell a story about smoking a stick ,I'm fine with that as long as you include details about the stick like wrapper,burn smoking time,smoke out put,taste you get,etc.it makes for a good story.When I read a review and it includes nothing like this its a waste of time.Sometimes the story for me makes a more interesting read.If you enjoy smoking the last half of the stick the next day,well"power to you brother"I know I'm not doing it,not my thing.This is your choice.Anyways that is my take on the review thing.


Thank you, Stephen. For the record, I am endeavoring to improve the quality of my reviews to include some of the details you mention. I've been meaning to start including burn time, for example, but keep forgetting to record the time I light the stick. I think that's going to end tonight, though, when I smoke another one of your bomb sticks.... Stay tuned.

As for the story stuff, I really don't think I include all that much extraneous stuff, or at least not enough to warrant all the uproar in various threads lately. But apparently some folks just aren't happy unless they have something to complain about. And that's proven by the fact that no one's forcing them to click on my reviews when they show up in the list. You don't like my stuff, don't read it, but I am going to keep posting it, so best to get used to it unless you just like making your blood pressure rise over stuff that's not really that important in the larger scheme of things.
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Posted 12/23/2018 2:27 PM (#760615 - in reply to #760614)
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Heres my take.If you want to tell a story about smoking a stick ,I'm fine with that as long as you include details about the stick like wrapper,burn smoking time,smoke out put,taste you get,etc.it makes for a good story.When I read a review and it includes nothing like this its a waste of time.Sometimes the story for me makes a more interesting read.If you enjoy smoking the last half of the stick the next day,well"power to you brother"I know I'm not doing it,not my thing.This is your choice.Anyways that is my take on the review thing.


Thank you, Stephen. For the record, I am endeavoring to improve the quality of my reviews to include some of the details you mention. I've been meaning to start including burn time, for example, but keep forgetting to record the time I light the stick. I think that's going to end tonight, though, when I smoke another one of your bomb sticks.... Stay tuned.

As for the story stuff, I really don't think I include all that much extraneous stuff, or at least not enough to warrant all the uproar in various threads lately. But apparently some folks just aren't happy unless they have something to complain about. And that's proven by the fact that no one's forcing them to click on my reviews when they show up in the list. You don't like my stuff, don't read it, but I am going to keep posting it, so best to get used to it unless you just like making your blood pressure rise over stuff that's not really that important in the larger scheme of things.
Todd been reading your reviews and it is getting better brother I myself like the read and that is my choice
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Posted 12/23/2018 2:32 PM (#760616 - in reply to #760608)
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Somebody call the Whaambulance. Poor lil tuck was getting dogpiled by a bunch of meanies, he needed rescuing.


Hardly. From my angle, the "meanies" were dogpiling themselves and looking pretty silly in the process. But it was all in the name of "professionalism", of course...


Tuck, its hard to disagree with you that many of the comments lacked "professionalism". There were probably better ways of getting the point across. But since these couple of threads began on 12/21, you have posted 4 more reviews, and all of them were much more about reviewing a cigar and much less about the ambiance, so that is certainly appreciated. Personally, I think that your scoring of cigars is fair and objective, and you rate dog rockets appropriately as dog rockets. You certainly put an effort into writing the review, and everybody does them differently. Keep doing it this way and I doubt there will be more objections.

And please note, this particular thread (Fun Police) wasn't aimed at you or even about you. It was about a having an admin freeze a thread that clearly has not gotten out of control, or an admin that deletes threads or posts that no longer suit them. Many of us view that kind of totalitarian censorship as a much bigger transgression than any review you will post, and the site has had a lot of good members leave because of this BS. Four+ years ago this site used to have A LOT more forum activity and members posting, and was a lot more fun to visit daily. Most topics were fair game unless they were clearly discriminatory or NSFW. And rarely did the front page have a stale or day old topic on it. But then the the pussyfication began, and the effort to make sure that everything was politically correct and that no one's feeling ever got hurt drove away some great guys. So that's why many folks remain frustrated.

Oh, and IBTL!

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Posted 12/23/2018 2:39 PM (#760617 - in reply to #760616)
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Somebody call the Whaambulance. Poor lil tuck was getting dogpiled by a bunch of meanies, he needed rescuing.


Hardly. From my angle, the "meanies" were dogpiling themselves and looking pretty silly in the process. But it was all in the name of "professionalism", of course...


Tuck, its hard to disagree with you that many of the comments lacked "professionalism". There were probably better ways of getting the point across. But since these couple of threads began on 12/21, you have posted 4 more reviews, and all of them were much more about reviewing a cigar and much less about the ambiance, so that is certainly appreciated. Personally, I think that your scoring of cigars is fair and objective, and you rate dog rockets appropriately as dog rockets. You certainly put an effort into writing the review, and everybody does them differently. Keep doing it this way and I doubt there will be more objections.

And please note, this particular thread (Fun Police) wasn't aimed at you or even about you. It was about a having an admin freeze a thread that clearly has not gotten out of control, or an admin that deletes threads or posts that no longer suit them. Many of us view that kind of totalitarian censorship as a much bigger transgression than any review you will post, and the site has had a lot of good members leave because of this BS. Four+ years ago this site used to have A LOT more forum activity and members posting, and was a lot more fun to visit daily. Most topics were fair game unless they were clearly discriminatory or NSFW. And rarely did the front page have a stale or day old topic on it. But then the the pussyfication began, and the effort to make sure that everything was politically correct and that no one's feeling ever got hurt drove away some great guys. So that's why many folks remain frustrated.

Oh, and IBTL!

Well put Bruce.
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Somebody call the Whaambulance. Poor lil tuck was getting dogpiled by a bunch of meanies, he needed rescuing.


Hardly. From my angle, the "meanies" were dogpiling themselves and looking pretty silly in the process. But it was all in the name of "professionalism", of course...


Tuck, its hard to disagree with you that many of the comments lacked "professionalism". There were probably better ways of getting the point across. But since these couple of threads began on 12/21, you have posted 4 more reviews, and all of them were much more about reviewing a cigar and much less about the ambiance, so that is certainly appreciated. Personally, I think that your scoring of cigars is fair and objective, and you rate dog rockets appropriately as dog rockets. You certainly put an effort into writing the review, and everybody does them differently. Keep doing it this way and I doubt there will be more objections.

And please note, this particular thread (Fun Police) wasn't aimed at you or even about you. It was about a having an admin freeze a thread that clearly has not gotten out of control, or an admin that deletes threads or posts that no longer suit them. Many of us view that kind of totalitarian censorship as a much bigger transgression than any review you will post, and the site has had a lot of good members leave because of this BS. Four+ years ago this site used to have A LOT more forum activity and members posting, and was a lot more fun to visit daily. Most topics were fair game unless they were clearly discriminatory or NSFW. And rarely did the front page have a stale or day old topic on it. But then the the pussyfication began, and the effort to make sure that everything was politically correct and that no one's feeling ever got hurt drove away some great guys. So that's why many folks remain frustrated.

Oh, and IBTL!



Thanks for the comments, Bruce. Although, I haven't yet figured out what "IBTL" means, but I'm sure a light bulb will go off shortly...

I can't guarantee there won't be more "ambiance" stuff as I do enjoy adding context once in awhile. Clearly, some like it and some don't. Oh well, I'm not going to try and please everyone....

As for this thread not being aimed at me, noted, but Kid Montana did mention me in particular, which I felt was worth responding to. As for censorship in general, yeah, I'm not a fan of it either, as evidenced by my resistance to writing my reviews a particular way. I think if the other thread hadn't been frozen, we could have worked out our differences in a civil enough manner, or at least I hope we could have. I'm certainly not here to make enemies and I hope no one else is, either. And on that note, I think I'm going to go smoke one....
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Somebody call the Whaambulance. Poor lil tuck was getting dogpiled by a bunch of meanies, he needed rescuing.


Hardly. From my angle, the "meanies" were dogpiling themselves and looking pretty silly in the process. But it was all in the name of "professionalism", of course...


Tuck, its hard to disagree with you that many of the comments lacked "professionalism". There were probably better ways of getting the point across. But since these couple of threads began on 12/21, you have posted 4 more reviews, and all of them were much more about reviewing a cigar and much less about the ambiance, so that is certainly appreciated. Personally, I think that your scoring of cigars is fair and objective, and you rate dog rockets appropriately as dog rockets. You certainly put an effort into writing the review, and everybody does them differently. Keep doing it this way and I doubt there will be more objections.

And please note, this particular thread (Fun Police) wasn't aimed at you or even about you. It was about a having an admin freeze a thread that clearly has not gotten out of control, or an admin that deletes threads or posts that no longer suit them. Many of us view that kind of totalitarian censorship as a much bigger transgression than any review you will post, and the site has had a lot of good members leave because of this BS. Four+ years ago this site used to have A LOT more forum activity and members posting, and was a lot more fun to visit daily. Most topics were fair game unless they were clearly discriminatory or NSFW. And rarely did the front page have a stale or day old topic on it. But then the the pussyfication began, and the effort to make sure that everything was politically correct and that no one's feeling ever got hurt drove away some great guys. So that's why many folks remain frustrated.

Oh, and IBTL!



Thanks for the comments, Bruce. Although, I haven't yet figured out what "IBTL" means, but I'm sure a light bulb will go off shortly...

I can't guarantee there won't be more "ambiance" stuff as I do enjoy adding context once in awhile. Clearly, some like it and some don't. Oh well, I'm not going to try and please everyone....

As for this thread not being aimed at me, noted, but Kid Montana did mention me in particular, which I felt was worth responding to. As for censorship in general, yeah, I'm not a fan of it either, as evidenced by my resistance to writing my reviews a particular way. I think if the other thread hadn't been frozen, we could have worked out our differences in a civil enough manner, or at least I hope we could have. I'm certainly not here to make enemies and I hope no one else is, either. And on that note, I think I'm going to go smoke one....



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Some ambiance is fine, but not when it becomes the majority of the review.

Kid Montana's post was aimed at the admin's over-reaction, not meant to be a slight at you (although I can see how you might read it that way.)

And I agree, we would have worked it all out had that thread not been frozen. Enjoy your cigar!

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Tuck,

As much as you are entitled to write your reviews how you like, I am entitled to have my opinion of them and express it. I didn't feel it necessary to call you out directly, but you figured it out pretty quickly and responded.

Knock yourself out, talk about the traffic jams, and include as much extraneous info as you feel is needed to get it to the point you're looking for. I just don't get it. 

The locking of the thread was heavy handed and without merit, but that doesn't seem to matter these days.

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For the record, there has never ever been a thread here that has been frozen or deleted without Paul's consent or knowledge. I strongly suggest to anyone who has an issue with that to please contact Paul directly and express your concerns rather than to lay any blame where it does not belong.
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Tuck, I'm just trying to give you helpful advice, constructive criticism of you will. As said by others, write your story, but keep it focused on the cigar details.
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Tuck, I'm just trying to give you helpful advice, constructive criticism of you will. As said by others, write your story, but keep it focused on the cigar details.


I always try to do that. And I'd challenge anyone to point out a particular review where I focused less on the cigar details and more on other stuff. I've never come remotely close to approaching DonM's parody review of his La Palina and I'd appreciate an acknowledgement of that fact.

That said, I'm about to post a parody of the parody, just because.... but I'd bet I still won't come close to what I've been accused of doing....
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Tuck,

As much as you are entitled to write your reviews how you like, I am entitled to have my opinion of them and express it. I didn't feel it necessary to call you out directly, but you figured it out pretty quickly and responded.

Knock yourself out, talk about the traffic jams, and include as much extraneous info as you feel is needed to get it to the point you're looking for. I just don't get it. 

The locking of the thread was heavy handed and without merit, but that doesn't seem to matter these days.



Hey man, it's kind of ironic that I'm still being taken to task for my review style in a thread entitled "Fun police", eh? I'm trying to have fun, both with the smoking and with the reviewing. Is this hobby not supposed to be fun? I get that some take it more seriously than that and think we should strive for "professionalism" with the reviews, but that just ain't me and never will be regardless of how many folks complain about it. Like I said, if you just can't handle my style, don't read my stuff. But I will read yours, if you'd get around to posting some, and furthermore, I won't give you any grief over your style, either, and that's a promise.
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Tuck,

As much as you are entitled to write your reviews how you like, I am entitled to have my opinion of them and express it. I didn't feel it necessary to call you out directly, but you figured it out pretty quickly and responded.

Knock yourself out, talk about the traffic jams, and include as much extraneous info as you feel is needed to get it to the point you're looking for. I just don't get it. 

The locking of the thread was heavy handed and without merit, but that doesn't seem to matter these days.

Hey man, it's kind of ironic that I'm still being taken to task for my review style in a thread entitled "Fun police", eh? I'm trying to have fun, both with the smoking and with the reviewing. Is this hobby not supposed to be fun? I get that some take it more seriously than that and think we should strive for "professionalism" with the reviews, but that just ain't me and never will be regardless of how many folks complain about it. Like I said, if you just can't handle my style, don't read my stuff. But I will read yours, if you'd get around to posting some, and furthermore, I won't give you any grief over your style, either, and that's a promise.

 

Interesting you say that, as I have done quote a few Geek critiques. Reviews are not really my bag, I much rather being part of a group review and comparing findings. Check out my feedback and you will see them, if you are interested. Feel free to give me grief, being from New Jersey originally and working in NYC, you would be hard pressed to hurt my feelings.

 If you'd like, join the hangout we are on now, the link is on the front page https://hangouts.google.com/call/g7msewchbgkjnnbt6x2kjljyjea?no_rd . It's a Google Hangout, all you need is a webcam, we'd be glad to have you.

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Hey guys - don't blame Pete for this. He pointed me to the thread and I made the call that it seemed like you guys had got your point across. It started feeling like it was devolving to the point of piling on a new guy who seemed to have good intentions. Sorry if I ruffled some feathers in shutting it down. Now you can pile on me...been around you guys long enough that I have the thick skin to show for it.

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Tuck,

As much as you are entitled to write your reviews how you like, I am entitled to have my opinion of them and express it. I didn't feel it necessary to call you out directly, but you figured it out pretty quickly and responded.

Knock yourself out, talk about the traffic jams, and include as much extraneous info as you feel is needed to get it to the point you're looking for. I just don't get it. 

The locking of the thread was heavy handed and without merit, but that doesn't seem to matter these days.

Hey man, it's kind of ironic that I'm still being taken to task for my review style in a thread entitled "Fun police", eh? I'm trying to have fun, both with the smoking and with the reviewing. Is this hobby not supposed to be fun? I get that some take it more seriously than that and think we should strive for "professionalism" with the reviews, but that just ain't me and never will be regardless of how many folks complain about it. Like I said, if you just can't handle my style, don't read my stuff. But I will read yours, if you'd get around to posting some, and furthermore, I won't give you any grief over your style, either, and that's a promise.

 

Interesting you say that, as I have done quote a few Geek critiques. Reviews are not really my bag, I much rather being part of a group review and comparing findings. Check out my feedback and you will see them, if you are interested. Feel free to give me grief, being from New Jersey originally and working in NYC, you would be hard pressed to hurt my feelings.

 If you'd like, join the hangout we are on now, the link is on the front page https://hangouts.google.com/call/g7msewchbgkjnnbt6x2kjljyjea?no_rd . It's a Google Hangout, all you need is a webcam, we'd be glad to have you.



Thanks, Doug, appreciate the invite. I don't own a webcam, but if I come across a good deal on one, I may make an appearance in the hangout.
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Been busy getting ready for the epic Christmas dinners...what did I miss?



Keep it on the cigars. It's just that easy.
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Somebody call the Whaambulance. Poor lil tuck was getting dogpiled by a bunch of meanies, he needed rescuing.


Hardly. From my angle, the "meanies" were dogpiling themselves and looking pretty silly in the process. But it was all in the name of "professionalism", of course...


Tuck, its hard to disagree with you that many of the comments lacked "professionalism". There were probably better ways of getting the point across. But since these couple of threads began on 12/21, you have posted 4 more reviews, and all of them were much more about reviewing a cigar and much less about the ambiance, so that is certainly appreciated. Personally, I think that your scoring of cigars is fair and objective, and you rate dog rockets appropriately as dog rockets. You certainly put an effort into writing the review, and everybody does them differently. Keep doing it this way and I doubt there will be more objections.

And please note, this particular thread (Fun Police) wasn't aimed at you or even about you. It was about a having an admin freeze a thread that clearly has not gotten out of control, or an admin that deletes threads or posts that no longer suit them. Many of us view that kind of totalitarian censorship as a much bigger transgression than any review you will post, and the site has had a lot of good members leave because of this BS. Four+ years ago this site used to have A LOT more forum activity and members posting, and was a lot more fun to visit daily. Most topics were fair game unless they were clearly discriminatory or NSFW. And rarely did the front page have a stale or day old topic on it. But then the the pussyfication began, and the effort to make sure that everything was politically correct and that no one's feeling ever got hurt drove away some great guys. So that's why many folks remain frustrated.

Oh, and IBTL!



Yes, Being the OP of this thread it was in no way pointed at Tuck. I do apologize for the direction this took. I was really voicing my frustration and feelings about the direction things seem to be going here of late. Too much political correctness that seems to be flowing over into the place where we used to be able to be "normal".
Merry Christmas
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Posted 12/24/2018 9:23 AM (#760654 - in reply to #760500)
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I am not sure what you mean by normal, Kent and well said, Bruce.

If anyone wants to place blame on the recent subjects of reviews, I will assume responsibility in pushing it to an extreme (although I might have allegedly had a little help). I have never been known to be a "Hemingway" in regards to my posts.

As mentioned, I have noticed the changes in the reviews as well Tuck. It is appreciated and there will be no more "heckling" from me on the subject. *Edit* Yes I did see your review of the Camacho Diploma. I can also respect your dislike to my satire post as it was a bit overboard to say the least.

Having been on CG for nearly 10 years, there was a time when being "Politically Correct" was never in the equation in the forums. Rarely was a thread frozen or a post deleted. Times have definitely changed



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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This is what I meant by "normal"
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I am not sure what you mean by normal, Kent and well said, Bruce.

If anyone wants to place blame on the recent subjects of reviews, I will assume responsibility in pushing it to an extreme (although I might have allegedly had a little help). I have never been known to be a "Hemingway" in regards to my posts.

As mentioned, I have noticed the changes in the reviews as well Tuck. It is appreciated and there will be no more "heckling" from me on the subject. *Edit* Yes I did see your review of the Camacho Diploma. I can also respect your dislike to my satire post as it was a bit overboard to say the least.

Having been on CG for nearly 10 years, there was a time when being "Politically Correct" was never in the equation in the forums. Rarely was a thread frozen or a post deleted. Times have definitely changed



Thanks for your comments, Don. I'd just point out, though, that "politically correct" is exactly what some of you guys want me to be. You want me to conform to what your idea of a worthy review is. It's not much different than the pressure from the admins to keep posts within certain boundaries. Am I right? So, from that angle, I think it's a bit hypocritical to want boundaries on reviewing style while not wanting boundaries on post content. For what it's worth, I still haven't figured out why anyone even cares what someone else says in a review. Why is it worth getting worked up over? For myself, I do think there should be certain boxes checked in a review and the review should be yanked without points awarded if those boxes are not checked. I'm thinking in particular of the latest "review" of the 5 Vegas Gold Maduro Robusto from yesterday. Why is that sort of nonsense allowed and where is the thread taking that guy to task?? But if the necessary boxes are in fact checked, what else is said of an extraneous nature, "ambiance" if you will, should not be questioned, IMO.

At any rate, happy holidays and I hope everyone enjoys their day off tomorrow. And with that, I'm going to retire to my smoking lounge...
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Thank you, I think I will.
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"Thanks for your comments, Don. I'd just point out, though, that "politically correct" is exactly what some of you guys want me to be. You want me to conform to what your idea of a worthy review is. It's not much different than the pressure from the admins to keep posts within certain boundaries. Am I right? So, from that angle, I think it's a bit hypocritical to want boundaries on reviewing style while not wanting boundaries on post content. For what it's worth, I still haven't figured out why anyone even cares what someone else says in a review. Why is it worth getting worked up over? For myself, I do think there should be certain boxes checked in a review and the review should be yanked without points awarded if those boxes are not checked. I'm thinking in particular of the latest "review" of the 5 Vegas Gold Maduro Robusto from yesterday. Why is that sort of nonsense allowed and where is the thread taking that guy to task?? But if the necessary boxes are in fact checked, what else is said of an extraneous nature, "ambiance" if you will, should not be questioned, IMO.

At any rate, happy holidays and I hope everyone enjoys their day off tomorrow. And with that, I'm going to retire to my smoking lounge... "



Note - The review you mentioned above was noticed this morning. A PM was sent to the reviewer to change his review to include the basic criteria that we ask for: "Please note that there is a minimum number of characters required (150) in order to submit a review so that your experience may provide others with some helpful information. A very brief synopsis regarding flavor, construction and burn will suffice, but feel free to be as detailed as you desire." The reviewer is given some time to either rectify the review or have it removed.
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Note - The review you mentioned above was noticed this morning. A PM was sent to the reviewer to change his review to include the basic criteria that we ask for: "Please note that there is a minimum number of characters required (150) in order to submit a review so that your experience may provide others with some helpful information. A very brief synopsis regarding flavor, construction and burn will suffice, but feel free to be as detailed as you desire." The reviewer is given some time to either rectify the review or have it removed.



We're making progress. Merry Christmas, all!

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Posted 12/24/2018 8:18 PM (#760682 - in reply to #760675)
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tuck0411 - 12/24/2018 10:57 PM

DonM - 12/24/2018 7:23 AM

I am not sure what you mean by normal, Kent and well said, Bruce.

If anyone wants to place blame on the recent subjects of reviews, I will assume responsibility in pushing it to an extreme (although I might have allegedly had a little help). I have never been known to be a "Hemingway" in regards to my posts.

As mentioned, I have noticed the changes in the reviews as well Tuck. It is appreciated and there will be no more "heckling" from me on the subject. *Edit* Yes I did see your review of the Camacho Diploma. I can also respect your dislike to my satire post as it was a bit overboard to say the least.

Having been on CG for nearly 10 years, there was a time when being "Politically Correct" was never in the equation in the forums. Rarely was a thread frozen or a post deleted. Times have definitely changed





Thanks for your comments, Don. I'd just point out, though, that "politically correct" is exactly what some of you guys want me to be. You want me to conform to what your idea of a worthy review is. It's not much different than the pressure from the admins to keep posts within certain boundaries. Am I right? So, from that angle, I think it's a bit hypocritical to want boundaries on reviewing style while not wanting boundaries on post content. For what it's worth, I still haven't figured out why anyone even cares what someone else says in a review. Why is it worth getting worked up over? For myself, I do think there should be certain boxes checked in a review and the review should be yanked without points awarded if those boxes are not checked. I'm thinking in particular of the latest "review" of the 5 Vegas Gold Maduro Robusto from yesterday. Why is that sort of nonsense allowed and where is the thread taking that guy to task?? But if the necessary boxes are in fact checked, what else is said of an extraneous nature, "ambiance" if you will, should not be questioned, IMO.

At any rate, happy holidays and I hope everyone enjoys their day off tomorrow. And with that, I'm going to retire to my smoking lounge...


It appears that the issue that you are referring to on the 5 Vegas Gold review is being addressed by the admin JunglePete. In addition, I see that you are still unhappy about previous posts or comments and I reluctantly choose to ignore your comments for further discussion. I did make an attempt to make amends and obviously that was not good enough for you.

Merry Christmas
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tuck0411
Posted 12/24/2018 10:37 PM (#760690 - in reply to #760682)
Subject: RE: Fun Police



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DonM - 12/24/2018 6:18 PM

tuck0411 - 12/24/2018 10:57 PM

DonM - 12/24/2018 7:23 AM

I am not sure what you mean by normal, Kent and well said, Bruce.

If anyone wants to place blame on the recent subjects of reviews, I will assume responsibility in pushing it to an extreme (although I might have allegedly had a little help). I have never been known to be a "Hemingway" in regards to my posts.

As mentioned, I have noticed the changes in the reviews as well Tuck. It is appreciated and there will be no more "heckling" from me on the subject. *Edit* Yes I did see your review of the Camacho Diploma. I can also respect your dislike to my satire post as it was a bit overboard to say the least.

Having been on CG for nearly 10 years, there was a time when being "Politically Correct" was never in the equation in the forums. Rarely was a thread frozen or a post deleted. Times have definitely changed





Thanks for your comments, Don. I'd just point out, though, that "politically correct" is exactly what some of you guys want me to be. You want me to conform to what your idea of a worthy review is. It's not much different than the pressure from the admins to keep posts within certain boundaries. Am I right? So, from that angle, I think it's a bit hypocritical to want boundaries on reviewing style while not wanting boundaries on post content. For what it's worth, I still haven't figured out why anyone even cares what someone else says in a review. Why is it worth getting worked up over? For myself, I do think there should be certain boxes checked in a review and the review should be yanked without points awarded if those boxes are not checked. I'm thinking in particular of the latest "review" of the 5 Vegas Gold Maduro Robusto from yesterday. Why is that sort of nonsense allowed and where is the thread taking that guy to task?? But if the necessary boxes are in fact checked, what else is said of an extraneous nature, "ambiance" if you will, should not be questioned, IMO.

At any rate, happy holidays and I hope everyone enjoys their day off tomorrow. And with that, I'm going to retire to my smoking lounge...


It appears that the issue that you are referring to on the 5 Vegas Gold review is being addressed by the admin JunglePete. In addition, I see that you are still unhappy about previous posts or comments and I reluctantly choose to ignore your comments for further discussion. I did make an attempt to make amends and obviously that was not good enough for you.

Merry Christmas


No, I'm not unhappy at all. Quite the contrary. Your comments were appreciated and your amends were accepted, and if they were not, I wouldn't have thanked you for them. At this point, I'm merely making conversation for the purpose of further getting us all on the same page, assuming that's possible when we're all clearly quite opinionated on the subject. I suppose we may be as close to being on the same page as we're likely to get, though, so I won't comment further on the subject.

Again, happy holidays and I mean that sincerely.
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Posted 12/25/2018 3:38 PM (#760708 - in reply to #760636)
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tuck0411 - 12/23/2018 7:18 PM
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DRuff - 12/23/2018 2:32 PM

Tuck,

As much as you are entitled to write your reviews how you like, I am entitled to have my opinion of them and express it. I didn't feel it necessary to call you out directly, but you figured it out pretty quickly and responded.

Knock yourself out, talk about the traffic jams, and include as much extraneous info as you feel is needed to get it to the point you're looking for. I just don't get it. 

The locking of the thread was heavy handed and without merit, but that doesn't seem to matter these days.

Hey man, it's kind of ironic that I'm still being taken to task for my review style in a thread entitled "Fun police", eh? I'm trying to have fun, both with the smoking and with the reviewing. Is this hobby not supposed to be fun? I get that some take it more seriously than that and think we should strive for "professionalism" with the reviews, but that just ain't me and never will be regardless of how many folks complain about it. Like I said, if you just can't handle my style, don't read my stuff. But I will read yours, if you'd get around to posting some, and furthermore, I won't give you any grief over your style, either, and that's a promise.

 

Interesting you say that, as I have done quote a few Geek critiques. Reviews are not really my bag, I much rather being part of a group review and comparing findings. Check out my feedback and you will see them, if you are interested. Feel free to give me grief, being from New Jersey originally and working in NYC, you would be hard pressed to hurt my feelings.

 If you'd like, join the hangout we are on now, the link is on the front page https://hangouts.google.com/call/g7msewchbgkjnnbt6x2kjljyjea?no_rd . It's a Google Hangout, all you need is a webcam, we'd be glad to have you.

Thanks, Doug, appreciate the invite. I don't own a webcam, but if I come across a good deal on one, I may make an appearance in the hangout.

 

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